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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 20, 2012 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

I think it's exactly that: Girls generally went with guys, and yet single guys went on their own.

I did go to a few Dead shows with only one girlfriend. But as a rule, and not just GD, if I went to a concert I'd go with guys or a group that included guys.

I do recall that hardcore Deadheads tended to be heavily guys. I will say, though, that I don't recall sitting at shows thinking, "Wow, hardly any women!" I think it just looked normal. I doubt the ratio was really much different at blues bars, or punk clubs, or whatever. Probably not too many women in mosh pits.

It may just be that when women go out with women friends, we're inclined to maybe go to a restaurant and talk. When guys go out with their friends, they "do something" with them ... go to a sports game, toss a ball around, go to a bar (loudness no problem!), go to a concert. Obviously a generalization, but still, I'm betting there's something to that.

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2012-11-20 15:10:47

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 20, 2012 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

You'd think there would be scholarly articles on this subject... "How Pigpen Confronted the Gender Imbalance At Grateful Dead Shows," or, "Did They Really Share The Women?"

While my mental image of early Dead shows is full of twirling women, little kids getting lost etc, perhaps this is just because they were more likely to be photographed or noticed!

There are probably a few social reasons why men would so outnumber women there. It's also quite likely that more men than women like the Dead, especially in a hardcore tape-collecting way (as opposed to a casual "let's go dancing & have fun" way).

Checking my Deadbase X, I see this response to the deadhead survey:
"As always, our respondents were overwhelmingly male: 181 men vs. 20 women."
Deadbase concluded, "Apparently responding to ridiculously detailed questionnaires is a male thing." (Interestingly, Deadbase did NOT say, "this reflects what we see at shows...")
The female respondents were also much more likely to say that "my significant other is a deadhead" - for most of the men, the answer was very negative!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2012 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

As you may have noticed, I tempered my response given I am now convinced that I am "mis-remembering" negative comments by the band about the Beatles (save the one by Phil, which wasn't all that negative)...as a scientist, I should have known better than to trust my memory (I do think that others, like Slick and Katner?, may have said such things in interviews...? SF bands in general downplaying the "mainstream success, etc., and I turned this into "the DEAD in general" or some such).

Nontheless, I am shocked that this sex ratio biz never really registered with me; the comment about my sister wasn't due to my having decided "jeezzz, there are 5000 raving single guys here!" or some such (more the location of Winterland, frankly).

Funny that now I think of Ring and Rose as just like "us", equally interested in the historical, social, and other trivia that we all discuss here, so in the safety of "ether space" I am a little surprised that the ratio isn't trending the other direction now, ya know? That's why I mentioned "maybe even growing?" as in more biased (amazingly!?)....

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 20, 2012 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

Then there's the question of whether women may hear or respond to some aspects of the Dead's music differently than guys do.
I'd tend to think not; that it would be too big a generalization. But then I recall Weir's cheesy rock-star hamming, which I dislike, but the ladies seemed to eat it up...at least, the two represented on this forum! I don't recall any guys calling Weir "cute" - makes me wonder if gals saw Garcia differently, too...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 21, 2012 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

I DO recall tidbits on this issue, given my little sister, it was inevitable: she and her girlfriends (they were 16 when they first tagged along, 25 or so in the 80s when they stopped) LOVED Bob, and had no real interest in ANY one else in the band.

When we snuck into to see Kingfish at a sm bar in the East Bay in 75, all the gals with the band raved about how nice Bob was, and how the others were jerks of one kind or another...these were girls with the band, roadies, etc., moreso than groupies. Of course, only Bob was present from the DEAD during this hiatus yr.

Thus, we fig'd Bob was still the favorite thru the 70s.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 21, 2012 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DEAD women...

Interesting - Weir gets the solid female vote!
The band must've been aware of that, so from an audience-pleasing perspective, perhaps that's why they let him do his thing so much...

I wonder if, before Weir stepped up, Pigpen was the band's "sex symbol"... It hardly seems possible; I've assumed Pigpen catered more to male fans with his macho bluesman approach, but I don't really know. Maybe he had adoring girls in the audience, too.